Overnight Report
Happy Sunday, Big Brother Lovers! In addition to the Sunday Show airing tonight on CBS, we ought to be having the Veto Ceremony today on the feeds. Will they use it or wont they?
Ever lie down for a 45 minute nap and wake up 10 hours later? Lordy, lordy. And the live feeds were on fire last night with the Party, everyone getting drunk, loose and nekkid, Matt and Natalie's big blowout... and James and Chelsia's upstairs antics... Needless to say, the overnight report starts a lot earlier than usual! ;)
Fortunately, while I was completely passed out, ReporterX was on the completely on the ball for bb9dish youtubes and xx2OOxx was his usual rockstar self!
Quote of the night goes to Natalie:
7:15pm BBT - The Margarita Party
The HGs got sombrero hats and a pinata stuffed with party favors, but they were surprised they didn't receive cups - they're all drinking margarita's from bowls...
xx2OOxx
Big surprise, the HGs ran out of booze pretty quick - just enough time for the editors to make a nice 1-2 minute sequence out of it for the tv only audience. ;) In part 2 of the margarita party, the women are getting a little raunchy...
8:38pm - Post Margarita Party
All the Hgs are gathered talking about strange things, like how Oprah had a segment about semen being good for your hair...
9pm BBT
After a little while, the women break off and congregate together in the frilly room. Amanda's focus is on how much all the women have in common. Natalie's focus is how poorly Matt treats her. 2 points, Amanda.
Beginning at 9:13pm BBT, Matt & Nat got into it - in front of everyone.
In Part one of the Matt/Nat fight, Matt announces everyone's roles on the show, in a less that diplomatic fashion, and manages to offend just about everyone. About a minute into the clip, Natalie lets loose on him in front of everyone. It gets very personal, and in addition to all the revelations, the best part has got to be the cut-away to everyone's reactions around the room.
Not exactly the kind of argument you want to get into while you're up on the block with the Power of Veto still in play...
2nd Best line of the night?
Part 1
9:13pm BBT
~bb9dish~
Wow... Big argument in front of the whole house. Alex and Amanda really couldn't have asked for more from Nat and Matt. The argument continues... Josh chimes in with, "I think that most of the house thinks Natalie is a delicate, fragile flower, and we just don't want her to continue to get hurt on a daily basis."
Part 2
~bb9dish~
In Part 3, Matt owns up to having kissed Natalie on the first couple nights...
Part 3
~bb9dish~
9:52pm BBT
Matt & Nat continue the argument in private.
10:02pm BBT
Chelsia, Allison - others watching.
After the Matt/Nat fight, the house needs a lighter moment. Chelsia tries to get Allison's clothes off. Chelsia's been hinting she's bi for days, so this really shouldn't come as a surprise to anyone.
11:23pm BBT
Backyard
Alex
It's raining in Southern California. Alex goes out back to rescue the clean, dry towels, and his inner 8 year old takes over. He can't resist tearing his shirt off and playing in the rain.
- ***like I needed one more reason to find Alex adorable?
~bb9dish~
posted by CarolynBBDish @ 3:57 AM
27 Comments:
Good Morning Carolyn!!!
Can't wait to see how they edit this on TV...especially since they bypassd they whole Matt thing from the start.
Morning, doc :)
Ditto. They'll figure it out somehow...
Jerry….Jerry….Jerry
Ref: Matty/Natty fight: OMG, funny stuff, I love how they clapped when BB called Sheila to the DR. funny stuff. I still have not found my favs yet, but I would like to see A/A stay for longer. Matty is very classy, his family and exes must be proud….Go Josh for standing up for Natty…”Lets hug it out B!T(H”… my new fav line
I think that Jen is in sequester because she has not logged on to her MySpace. ( I stalked it)
I saw the inner Freddy Flintstone in Ryan….
I would love to see A/S go….Crazy eyes scares me and so does unstable momma
I think it's interesting how the various near death experiences have affected the girls. Allison is all alive now (still annoying when "working," but so playful). She's a lot more cute and fun than I thought.
Amanda has really toned down, and I don't think it's just the block. She's more pensive and cautious. I like this side of her too.
They each got of bit of the other. Must be the big brother mind meld that actually occured.
Oh, BTW - Matt was horrible last night, huh? He's terrified to let Natalie speak - what a freakin' bully. No one liked that side of him at all. Ironically, all the other guys (except maybe Adam, who has no social skills at all) are pretty sensitive.
Jane
I read that Amanda was drinking, is that true? I thought that she was taking meds for her "seizures", at least that is what she lead the HGs to believe. If she is taking meds for her "seizures", then there is absolutely no way that she is suppose to drink(even if she only drinks small amounts). Alcohol intereferes with the metabolism of seizure meds.
I'm trying to be objective about what happened to Amanda, but everytime she opens her mouth she makes me doubt her even more. I don't want to say that she is faking about the "seizure", but it just doesn't add up.
1. General work up for seizure includes: MRI, EEG, blood work, etc. She did not mention the EEG, or maybe I just missed this. Did she leave it out because the EEG was normal and the doctors concluded that she did not have a seizure.
2. Alex told Matt that he takes everything that Amanda says with a grain of salt(this happened prior to the blowout). Everything that we learned about what happened to her at the hospital/with the dr has come from Amanda. Per Amanda-her convulsions were bad, they gave her lots of meds, and her stomach hurt,etc... The only way to determine if her convulsions were bad is to perform an EEG, but she had not mentioned this or did I miss it. She talked about the MRI, blood work, and possibly an EKG(indicated that she had chest leads). She also said nothing about having electrodes placed in her scalp.
3. When Allison came back she said that she needed to do further testing and was specific about the test that needed to be performed. Amanda on the other hand, just said that she needed to see the doctor-so was she going to see a neurologist(Sz) vs psychologist(panic attack)? If it were a neurologist she would have went on and on about this, maybe they think that she had a panic attack or a pseudoseizure and needs a mental evaluation.
Please do not take this the wrong way, but I am not 100% sure that Amanda had a seizure. I'm not saying that she is faking, but I am saying that her account of what happened does not make sense. I know that there are many pro-Amanda fans on this site and I'm not trying to offend anyone. This just does not make sense to me-I think that she had a panic attack or a pseudoseizure.
Someone said that Allison wasn't completely convinced either, and they said that she was saying this because she was jealous or trying to posion the HG against Amanda. Maybe she has noticed some of the things that I have pointed out.
to be fair, I'm the one who used the word seizure, not her... I used it because it looked like she was seizing.
I saw that too, Matt definitely did not want Nat to speak. I was glad that Nat didn't resort to swearing and yelling at him even when he kept interrupting her. But what really chapped my tush was when..
Matt said "This arguments over, no, it's over. You've said all you have"
But here was the good part..
Nat interrupts "You get to talk the whole time now I get my five minutes"
TheRealDeal has it here..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=47tMBJGKRAU
I just want to say thanks to Carolyn, TheRealDeal, xx200xx, ReporterX and all the people who take the time to keep us all updated.
~Jennifer~
to anonymous.
first off, amanda was not drinking all night. in fact later she mentions she's only been drunk 3 times in her life, her 21, her graduation and one other time. She also says that she only drinks rarely..like a glass of wine a month.
Watching the feed she was being very understated about everything, trying to not draw attention to herself. Normally people don't go bragging about what happend to them. Which might be her case.
She doesn't know what happend to her.. she fainted. She is going by what the other hgs are saying happend. She said she never knows how bad she gets when she faints.
She also did mention she had bloodwork,an eeg and a CT scan on the feeds if you toon in enough.
To doubt someones medical condition, I don't believe is fair. I could argue that allison is overreacting because of her behaviour and how she was talking and constantly bringing up what happend to her...but I won't because an illness is just that...an illness.
Also, allison is in the pharmacology field she is more familiar with the words and terms of medicine, medical machines etc. Amanda was asking Allison what exactly the Dr. said to her.
I just don't like people accusing either of the girls for being unreal/fake/dramamtic of what happend to them.
Anyway, just thought i'd put in my 2 cents worth as well. To each their own.
Amanda did not have a seizure. She fainted from low blood sugar levels. I have had experience with her condition and it could have easily been avioded had she simply drank juice or milk. She is an attention seeker who used this as an opportunity to garner sympathy with the houseguests and by the way they catered to her upon her return it seems she was very successful. I dont believe that BB would have denied her nourishment had she revealed her condition. Last year houseguests on slop were allowed protien shakes during their time on slop, has this changed? She was taken to the ER to avoid liability, not because her life was in danger. Allison on the other hand was very much in danger of suffocation when her throat swelled. closing off her airway. Dont get me wrong, I liked Amanda, I think she is cute and funny, but she is starved for attention.
Does anyone know the vote count right now? I think Josh is voting to Keep Alex and Amanda but I can't tell what is going on with Ryan/Allison and Adam/Sheila...anyone?
I'm pretty sure she said she was taking something for tremors, which is entirely different. Also, that was just yesterday. The only meds she came back with was the glucose tabs. I could be wrong, I'm not there, but that's what I remember.
I'm not a "fan" of her's, but she would never have passed the psych exam if she was someone who would/could fake to that extreme. Just faking that attack would cause illness - faking the shaking and lack of breathing would at least cause gagging/vomiting and hyperventalating (which she didn't have). As someone who had severe panic attacks as a young woman I can tell you it's nothing like that at all. And as a therapist, from her other behavior in the house, I feel pretty confident she wasn't faking. Being "crazy" and having a mental illness that would lead to faking behavior like that are two very different things.
Jane
if you watch feeds from before, amanda has mentioned several times that she is hypoglycemic. She also kept asking for her glucose tablets before any of this happend. It disgusts me that people would go around accusing someone of not being as ill as they really are. i myself am a nursing student myself, and jsut because amanda seemed to react the way you say you've encountered before doesn't mean it's the same thing. I have seen like 5 different reactions from 5 different diabetics and everyone responds differently to the type of treatment they need.
anon 8:05 - Amanda discussed needing extra sugar and the explicit form she needed it in at least three times that I saw from the minute she saw the slop. And that's just what I happened to catch. Protein shakes are protein not glucose - and they may be made with a sugar substitute.
I don't mean to be rude, but I think your assessment is grossly unfair. These people are sneaky and manipulative in the game, they don't have severe chronic mental illness. No personality disorders, pyschosis, or (what you are implying) Munchausen’s Syndrome (which is extremely rare). They don't even let people in with depression or anxiety - which are so common (James discussed that).
Jane
Also, in defense of Allison, what happened to her was terrifying and she was aware every minute of it - and she has no idea what caused it and if it will happen again. I would talk about it too, anyone would.
Amanda has a chronic condition that she has been dealing with her whole life, she also doesn't remember most of what happened. She will be more understated - which only supports the reality of what happened.
Both of these woman behaved exactly how one would expect - including their behavior when they came back into the house and needed to forgive and forget. If anything, what I saw, was two very emotionally healthy and strong young women acting perfectly appropriately for the circumstances.
As someone in the mental health field, it does disturb me to hear the accusations. There is the game, and there are real humans involved. We need to seperate that too.
Jane
Alex has shown me in so many ways that he is a real person, a good guy, someone who has had tragedy effect his life and realizes that it is the little things in life that end up giving you the greatest joy sometimes.
Losing his Dad, Alex was forced to grow up fast and become the man he is today, but we see in the clip, he has not lost the little boy inside of him, and that is what makes him, well Alex, and so special. He's loving the rain! It is an escape from the house - a true drama free zone!
110% agreed jane.
Since this seems to be a hot topic, just thought it was worth noting that some of the viewers and the HGs would (most likely) NOT even entertain the idea that Amanda was unreal/faking/dramatic IF she herself did not give us/them a reason to doubt her.
Anymore, many hospitals do not do EEG's. HMO's, not accurate enough, who knows why. I have seizures and even during my first one several years ago I did not have an EEG in the hospital. Also, you can have a normal EEG reading WHILE you're having a seizure if the seizure does not stem from epilepsy. So even if all the electrodes are attached and you have you seizure then, it may not even show up. And believe me, if you were faking a doctor would know. Considering I have seizures, what Amanda had looked like a seizure to me. There are many different types of seizures. The first thing everyone in my family said was she looks just like what happens to you during a seizure, complete with gasping sounds. When I've been to the ER for a seizure I've had bloodwork and CT Scan done and that's about it. Then a referral to see my neuro. ASAP.
Please do some research before you make accusations against someone like this. I'm positive that girl was not faking. And EEG isn't the end all definitive diagnosis for seizures. And why do it if they already know she had it from low blood sugar? Many people have seizures from low blood sugar. Just because you don't, or your friend's aunt's cousin's best friend from school doesn't, does not mean Amanda was waking.
:) i didn't like alex before, but he's quickly become my favorite houseguest.
he's acting like an actual person - funloving, serious, cranky, lonely, and sometimes a jerk.
he just seems so much less robotic than others. not that they seem "programmed", but it seems like they have changed things about themselves or hidden them because they're on tv.
ryan, too seems like a pretty genuine person.
Afternoon Carolyn!
I thought the quote of the night was when Natalie was talking about opening a coffee/shake/energy drink business and naming in "MATTY'S PROTEIN SHAKES"!
Ewwwwww...I KNOW! But FUNNY!
Good afternoon, Carolyn. Hope you are well rested ;)
Another thing I noticed from the Matt/Nat fight was James comment to Matt at the end. James basically called Matt out for the way he was speaking to Nat. James' stock just keeps going up for me.
thanks, lauren - :) i really am.
i felt soooo guilty this morning though.
i like alex tooo : D cuteee stuff
Chelsia was the first one to make the negative comment (in the hot tub) about Amanda, doubting that her condition was real, then so many BB fans followed suit. What is wrong with you people? I liked Chelsia until the whole "noose" comment, and now this. Amanda and Natalie were both in shock and scared to death by what had happened to them. Who are we to say how they should react to anything?
Also, kudos to Allison, who was in the diary room with the nurse and had just gotten the epi pen shot when Amanda fainted. She heard everything that was happening in the hallway and told (motioned) the nurse to go help Amanda because the swelling in her throat was going down and she could breathe through her nose. Her toungue was still swollen and she couldn't breathe from her mouth yet, but she was good and decent enough to put Amanda's needs first. Allison impressed me very much.
Rene
Thanks for the feed back concerning Amanda. You all have raised some interesting points. While I disagree with some of them, I still respect your perspectives.
1. Amanda drinking: I was just going by what was written on this site(which said that everyone was drinking-operative word is EVERYONE) and this has also been stated on other sites as well(Amanda was also drinking but she did not drink much).
2. EEG: I never heard her say EEG and I have visted other sites to see if they had it documented. They mention an MRI and blood work, but no EEG. If someone can provide the exact clip to where she says EEG, I will never mention anything about this EEG again!!!
3.Psych Exam: Everyone keeps saying that she would not be on the show if she failed this exam, well I think that this is not true. This is a reality show competing against American Idol for ratings. The producers are not using these exams to weed out people with mental illness, instead they are using these exams to identify the people they think will keep them in the top 5.
Please don't get angry with me for pointing this out, instead be angry with the producers for exploting people with mental illness. James was implying that he was skeptical about those exams because he was surprised when they told him that he passed the exam.
It is quite obvious that some people on this show have mental issues, or are you thinking that they act this way because of the camera?
4: To those of you that keep saying that it is unfair to judge Amanda, please realize that this is the road that Amanda has chosen. She gave the world permission to judge her, when she gave CBS permission to film the "private" moments of her life. We see them shower, sleep, eat, have sex, and socialize. How can we watch them day in and day out, without expressing outrage for what is going on in that house. So where do we draw the line? It's okay to watch them have sex, but I become an evil person if I critize them for their actions. What type of logic is that?
This is not a documentary, this is a scripted reality TV show. They had to audition for these "roles", just like people audition for American Idol and those dance shows. They are not on these shows to make a difference, but to be "discovered". This is why the public has the right to question their every motive.
5: Anon 8:05 totally agree and these are points that I have expressed in other threads on this site. Amanda was hypoglycemic all she had to do was eat something, but she decided not to do that. The doctor even advised her to eat more often. If she had taken the honey or sugar water like someone suggested she would have been fine, but she didn't do that because she wanted to create waves.
6: Anon 9:37 Totally agree. She has been caught in too many lies. It's good that she has fans that are willing to defend her, but I think it is bad when everyone pretends that she does not have any flaws/deflect the issue by trying to shame those posters that point out her flaws.
7: Anon 9:54- The hospitals in my state still perform EEGs, especially when the chief complaint is seizure and the neurolgy clinics still perform EEGs on their patients. On my neurology rotation-when we wrote admission orders and the admission note, we always had an MRI, EEG, and blood work performed. An EEG is the definitive diag for a seizure because it records the electrical activity of the brain and tells the origin of the seizure(temporal, occ, frontal). In case you did not know a seizure is caused by a disturbance in the electrical activity of the brain, so an EEG is very important in the work-up of seizures. If EEG is not essential for Sz diagnosis, then you should alert medical schools/resident training programs and tell them that learning to read EEGs is useless because no one is using them. Neurologists spend 1-2 years learning how to read an EEG.
The difference between you and Amanda is that she is a 21 yo otherwise healthy female who presents with a new onset seizure secondary to hypoglycemia(tells HGs that this has never happened before except in highshool: running track/didn't eat). They are not going to let her leave the hospital without having an EEG or at least scheduling one for the next day, that would be a huge mistake on their part of the hospital.
A head CT shows disturbances in the anatomy of the brain(ie-tumors, hydrocephalus, bleeding) and it is not going to tell you anything about a seizure. Bleeding into the brain can trigger seizures, this is one reason for having an MRI/CT. A CT is not going to show the function or the origin of the seizure(frontal, occ, temporal), which is why EEGs are performed. If Amanda did not have a EEG at ER, then she should have had one scheduled. Thanks for proving my point!!!!!
Yes her blood sugars were low, but she still needs to be worked up for her cheif complaint. I have never heard any physician say: "well she fell and hit her head, we know the why so lets just skip the EEG". It does not work like this. They perform these tests to determine what they need to do next, how they will treat patient in the future, and if the patient is still in immediate danger.
*I loved all the input!!!!. I bring up these points because I don't see them being addressed or if they are addressed people just dance around the issue/try to shame the poster that commented on this.
Anon @ 2:44pm~~
First off, Thank you for being respectful while stating your thoughts. I totally agree with your following statement:
"It's good that she has fans that are willing to defend her, but I think it is bad when everyone pretends that she does not have any flaws/deflect the issue by trying to shame those posters that point out her flaws."
Thank you for pointing this out. It upsets me as well. But not only are posters shamed, but as well, Amanda's defenders are very quick to shame & point out the other HGs flaws & issues. They do this when posters criticize her and especially when the HGs are discussing Amanda's shortcomings themselves, or are being "mean" to her.
Just want to add that I LOVE Chelsia and feel a lot of Amanda lovers are very quick to turn the attention to her flaws when Amanda is being "picked on."
Thank you anon 9:37!!!
And I totally agree with this satement: "But not only are posters shamed, but as well, Amanda's defenders are very quick to shame & point out the other HGs flaws & issues. They do this when posters criticize her and especially when the HGs are discussing Amanda's shortcomings themselves, or are being "mean" to her. "
I've observed this on this site and on the other BB9 sites that I visit, and this upsets me as well. These are forums, where people should be able to express their perspective without being shamed for their observation(s). When one points out these flaws in Amanda, they are not wishing bad misfortune upon her. They are just recognizing a characteristic trait that was overlooked or ignored.
Deflecting the issue by shaming other posters/blaming other HGs does not make Amanda's flaws go away, nor does it make her a better person. Thanks again for the support!
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